If all else fails, there will always be dogs. Mae, Ned and guest host Sophie Duker are joined by wildlife biologist Lizzie Daly to talk all things furry and feathery. Ned is feline good, Sophie wants justice for black pets and Steve Ali tells us how tourists can make refugees feel like animals in a zoo.
Co-created by Deborah Frances-White for The Spontaneity Shop and BBC Radio 4.
Produced by Al Riddell
Music by Mark Hodge and Omahrose, produced by Nick Sheldon.
Featured in this programme:
You & Yours (23/03/2017)
Saturday Live (30/07/2016)